• Model 1909 Argentine Mauser Rifle

A number of years ago I purchased a 1909 Argentine Mauser in 7.65 Argentine. This rifle is beautiful. The action is smooth as silk, the bluing is original and 95%. The bore looks as though it just came off the rack brand new. The stock is in great shape with just a few 'character' marks. There are no import stamps anywhere.

• Aug 01, 2013  I have a rifle marked on the receiver Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909. Serial number is matching on the receiver, bolt, floor plate, cleaning rod, and stock. Are there any other places that have a serial number on the in this model Mauser? Except for some dings in the wood and a little darkening of the rear bolt area it looks like new and original.
• Three Argentine Mauser's model 1891, and 1909, Lowe and DWM. The 1909 is unissued and with intact mum, new bore, the 1891's one is ground, the other intact, both gently use riles. Super examples.

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I have a rifle marked on the receiver Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909. Serial number is matching on the receiver, bolt, floor plate, cleaning rod, and stock. Are there any other places that have a serial number on the in this model Mauser? Except for some dings in the wood and a little darkening of the rear bolt area it looks like new and original. It will not chamber new Privi Partizan brass marked 7.65x53 but will chamber and extract new 7mm brass. It appears to have a.276 bore and a.285 groove.

I pounded a 7mm cast bullet into the muzzle for these measurements made with a dial caliper. A RCBS 30-165-SIL will not even begin to enter the bore. The barrel is 29 and 1/8 inch long from the muzzle to the bolt face. 4 groove and as close as I can measure a 8 1/2 inch twist. The rifle does not look like it has been rebarreled.

Were these rifles chambered for cartridges other than the 7.65x53? What do I have?

Very strange. Don't know what to tell ya. I'd have a chamber cast done to make sure what it is for sure.

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Strange the bore slugs at.285 which is 7mm. Keep us informed.

DennyCertainly is odd. I pulled my 'sportenized' 1909 out to check, and all the markings seem to be in the right place.

Model 1909 Argentine Mauser Rifle

His is much newer than mine, my ser # is A7xxx. And his is a lot prettier than mine! If it's an original, that might push the value up, or maybe down.

What's his name, something 'eyes' has books on the Mauser military rifles. If he checks in, maybe he'll be able to tell you something. On my cavalry carbine there is a character that looks like a B with a script M punched on top of each other after the serial number on the bolt handle. That same character appears on top of the barrel chamber reinforce. It is the same character that appears after the receiver serial number on both my rifle and yours.

On the rear sight base under the pivot hole is the Argentine 'handshake.' In my junk pile is a like new on the outside - with totally ruined bore - barrel from a 1908 Brazilian Mauser cal 7X57.

It has the serial number on the other side of the chamber. Immediately behind that it has the B in a circle like your barrel.

There is a German script B (I think it means Ss) under the pivot hole on the left side of the rear sight base. On the left side of the front sight base is a script W or numeral 3 laying on its side. I've read of Spain in the 30's buying up surplus Mausers and having them rebarreled or in some cases relined to 7mm.

First I heard of these was WW1 GEW 98 rifles with corroded bores relined to 7mm. These were for use in the Spanish Civil War. Never heard of the Argentine 1909 being rebarreled for this purpose.

Could be a South American country that still used the 7mm bought up some surplus 1909 rifles to rebarrel. The Gran Chaco War was pretty intense and a good market for anything that would shoot.

One or both sides used the 7mm, and there were complaints that the older 95 actioned rifles could not handle the more potent 7mm ammunition available at the time. Argentinean Mausers were only provided in 7,65 x 53mm. Argentine (or Belgian, same cartridge). IIRC, no other cartridge was ever provided to the Argentinean Army, until they switched to F.A.L.s chambered in 7,62x51mm. Several decades after.

It seems to be an example in excellent condition. I don´t think it had ever been re barreled. If the bore is in good condition (very likely), a.311 bullet would not fit into the barrel from the crown more than (roughly) 1/3 of its total length; actually, (as almost all of you may know) this is a quick way to measure barrel condition in old rifles: a bullet of the proper caliber would not enter more than that into the crown of a good barrel. Check for a Mexican connection. IIRC both FN and DWM filled small contracts by using leftover Mauser receivers from earlier contracts. Mexico bought up some odd combinations, like the Japanese Arisaka rifles in 7mm rather than the original 6.5mm. Also I vaguely remember some Latin nation issuing 7mm rifles to their naval sharpshooters when their ground forces used a different caliber, don't remember which.

The British issued some 7mm rifles and 6.5 rifles to naval sharpshooters in WW1. The rifle pictured is in such excellent condition I suspect it may be a prototype. I took the rifle out to the range today and shot it with the loads I use in my Chileno 1895 7mm.

The extracted case looked just like a new unfired case except the shoulder angles were sharper instead of slightly rounded like the new case. I put it into my Wilson case length gage and it was slightly blow the min part of the gage.

I then fired the other 6 rounds and they went into about a 8 inch group at 100 yards. They all extracted normally and looked like the first case fired.

Photos show some new numbers and some of the dings on the rifle. Very interesting, I was given a 91 Argentine 7.65x53 with Lee Dies and cases and some loaded rounds with cast bullets. I realized very quicking the chamber was shorter than the full sized brass made fro 30-06. I pushed the case taper back about 2mm and the case just chambered. I loaded some.312 cast slugs in the cases with a 12 gr load of Unique.

It shot and keyholes several of the bullets at 100 yds. I found the barrel to be.318 groove diameter and maybe a tad larger. The chamber throat of this barrel is.350' and will fit an 8x57mm mauser shorten 3/32' on the neck taper.

I then fired some.323' diameter cast slugs through it. It shot them with no porblems and there were no pressure signs on the cases which looked good. Is there an 8x53mm mauser that was used in these rifles to some degree.

I picked up a barrel from Ebay (which I sent back for refund) and it was exactly the same as the barrel on the rifle. I am sure there is a collecter in this group that can help me answer the question. Thank you and be safe.